Bryan McGrath, Deputy Director of the Center for American Seapower at the Hudson Institute, joins Trevor and Emma to discuss the evolution of conservative foreign policy during the Trump era.

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• Bryan McGrath bio
• Henry Nau, Conservative Internationalism (Princeton University Press 2015)
• Eliot Cohen, The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power and the Necessity of Military Force (Basic Books 2018)
• Robert Kagan, The Jungle Grows Back: America and Our Imperiled World (Knopf 2018)