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Media Highlights Radio • November 25, 2019 

# Ilya Shapiro discusses the limits of separation of church and state in 1A on KPCC’s *AirTalk with Larry Mantle*

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##### [Ilya Shapiro](/people/ilya-shapiro)

Former Vice President and Director, Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies, Cato Institute