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Media Highlights Radio • October 10, 2013 

# Ilya Shapiro debates David Gans on the topic of campaign finance reform on the National Constitution Center podcast 

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##### [Ilya Shapiro](/people/ilya-shapiro)

Former Vice President and Director, Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies, Cato Institute