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Media Highlights Radio • August 19, 2025 

# Kerry McDonald discusses her book, *Joyful Learning: How to Find Freedom, Happiness, and Success Beyond Conventional Schooling!*, on the LiberatED podcast w/​guest host Colleen Hroncich 

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##### [Colleen Hroncich](/people/colleen-hroncich)

Policy Analyst, Cato Institute

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##### [Kerry McDonald](/people/kerry-mcdonald)

Adjunct Scholar 

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