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Power Problems • July 14, 2020 

# Trevor’s Farewell Episode 

Special episode! As Trevor Thrall prepares to depart the show, our hosts chat about the show’s run and how U.S. foreign policy has changed since we’ve been on the air.

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##### [Emma Ashford](/people/emma-ashford)

Senior Fellow, Stimson Center

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##### [A. Trevor Thrall](/people/trevor-thrall)

Former Senior Fellow, Defense and Foreign Policy Department, Cato Institute

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