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Power Problems • June 20, 2020 

# The Robot Revolution Will Not Be Televised 

Emma Ashford and Trevor Thrall chat with Peter Singer of New America about his new novel Burn In, and why fiction can be useful for our understanding of national security policy. 

**Show Notes**

- [Peter Singer bio](https://www.newamerica.org/our-people/peter-warren-singer/)
- Peter Singer and August Cole, [*urn In: A Novel of the Real Robotic Revolution*](https://www.burninbook.com/)
- Matthew Feeney, “[Surveillance Takes Wing: Privacy in the Age of Police Drones](https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/surveillance-takes-wing-privacy-age-police-drones),” Policy Analysis, no. 807
- “[How Drones Are Changing Warfare](https://www.cato-unbound.org/issues/january-2012/how-drones-are-changing-warfare),” *Cato Unbound*, January 2012

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##### [Emma Ashford](/people/emma-ashford)

Senior Fellow, Stimson Center

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##### [A. Trevor Thrall](/people/trevor-thrall)

Former Senior Fellow, Defense and Foreign Policy Department, Cato Institute

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