# Multimedia Multimedia --- - [Podcasts](/podcasts) - [Cato Video](/multimedia/cato-video) - [Video Series](/search/category/video-series) - [Events](/multimedia/events) [ Download Episode ](https://assets.pippa.io/shows/5e3db1b9659d595770f8b9b0/1588603358203-b0f98a1a8c50ccbe2f60823adfc7faca.mp3)Subscribe: [ Apple Podcasts ](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/power-problems/id1282100393) [ Spotify ](https://open.spotify.com/show/7LrC4meqQkPvzFqP9PMwkS) Power Problems • May 5, 2020 # Donald Trump and the Generals Alice Hunt Friend of the Center for Strategic and International Studies joins Emma Ashford and Trevor Thrall to talk about the increasingly strained relations between civilian and military leaders in the Trump administration. **Show Notes:** - [Alice Hunt Friend bio](https://www.csis.org/people/alice-hunt-friend) - Lindsay Cohn, Alice Friend and Jim Golby, “This Is What Was so Unusual about the U.S. Navy Making Captain Brett Crozier Step Down,” *Washington Post*, April 5, 2020 - Alice Friend and Jim Golby, “The Military Can’t Save Us from COVID-19,” *Mil​i​tary​.com*, April 14, 2020 [![Creative Commons License](/build/cato_2020/images/creative-commons.svg)](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/) This work is licensed under a [Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/). ##### Featuring ##### Alice Hunt Friend [![Emma Ashford New](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/author_picture/public/2025-07/emma-ashford-new.jpg?itok=IOYhTao_)](/people/emma-ashford) ##### [Emma Ashford](/people/emma-ashford) Senior Fellow, Stimson Center [ ](https://twitter.com/EmmaMAshford) [![Media Name: thrall-cropped.jpg](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/author_picture/public/authors/crops/thrall-cropped.jpg?itok=z4kJ8rE_)](/people/trevor-thrall) ##### [A. Trevor Thrall](/people/trevor-thrall) Former Senior Fellow, Defense and Foreign Policy Department, Cato Institute [ ](http://www.twitter.com/trevor_thrall)