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Media Highlights Radio • December 8, 2023 

# Colin Grabow discusses the myth of American deindustrialization on SPIRO’s *Make it. Move it. Sell it. Podcast*

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##### [Colin Grabow](/people/colin-grabow)

Associate Director, Herbert A. Stiefel Center for Trade Policy Studies

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