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Cato Weekly Podcast • November 5, 2025 

# What a Long Shutdown It’s Been 

Romina Boccia joins Nicholas Anthony to discuss how the shutdown centers on demands to extend subsidies for earners making well above median household income—all the way up to $500,000 annually. Federal workers and SNAP recipients have been offered up as political collateral for a deal that would cause an unprecedented $1.5 trillion in additional deficit spending—all while we continue trucking toward a fiscal cliff.

#### Show Notes 

[![Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Clipboard and US Dollar](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/content_teaser/public/2025-10/GettyImages-2224143377.jpg?itok=m_EyKSAB)](https://www.cato.org/blog/food-stamp-shutdown-reveals-fragility-federal-welfare) 

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### [Food Stamp Shutdown Reveals the Fragility of Federal Welfare](/blog/food-stamp-shutdown-reveals-fragility-federal-welfare) 

By [Romina Boccia](https://www.cato.org/people/romina-boccia) and [Tyler Turman](https://www.cato.org/people/tyler-turman) 

SNAP’s centralization in Washington leaves millions vulnerable when Congress stalls.

[![Congress covered in yellow tapes labeled "shutdown"](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/content_teaser/public/2025-10/GettyImages-1097423698.jpg?itok=VjI6fePB)](https://www.cato.org/blog/thoughts-about-government-shutdown-1) 

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### [Thoughts About the Government Shutdown](/blog/thoughts-about-government-shutdown-1) 

By [Romina Boccia](https://www.cato.org/people/romina-boccia) 

Shutdowns rarely deliver what their instigators demand. They hand the President and OMB extra discretion—hardly a smart move for Democrats. More often, shutdowns backfire politically without lasting policy change.

[![Stethoscope on book](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/content_teaser/public/2025-10/GettyImages-155099359.jpg?itok=N9YT6HHC)](https://www.cato.org/blog/end-obamacares-welfare-wealthy-covid-credits) 

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### [End Obamacare’s Welfare for the Wealthy COVID Credits](/blog/end-obamacares-welfare-wealthy-covid-credits) 

By [Romina Boccia](https://www.cato.org/people/romina-boccia) and [Tyler Turman](https://www.cato.org/people/tyler-turman) 

Let the boosted ACA subsidies expire.

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##### [Romina Boccia](/people/romina-boccia)

Director of Budget and Entitlement Policy, Cato Institute

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[![Nicholas Anthony Cropped](/sites/cato.org/files/styles/author_picture/public/2025-02/NicholasAnthony-cropped.jpg?itok=f4HYrot7)](/people/nicholas-anthony) 

##### [Nicholas Anthony](/people/nicholas-anthony)

Research Fellow, Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives

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