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Cato Weekly Podcast • October 9, 2024 

# When State Executive Agencies Take You to Their Own ‘Court’ 

Federal agencies can haul you into their own court-like rooms and delay your day in a real court. State agencies often do the same. This isn’t how it ought to be. Daniel Dew of the Pacific Legal Foundation discusses how state officials avoid making their arguments in real courts.

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##### Daniel Dew 

Legal Policy Director, Pacific Legal Foundation

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute