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Cato Weekly Podcast • June 19, 2018 

# War State, Trauma State (Part Two) 

If the U.S. military had understood insights from psychology in 2001, the mission in Afghanistan might have been substantially smaller. Erik Goepner is author of the new Cato paper, “[War State, Trauma State](https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/war-state-trauma-state-why-afghanistan-remains-stuck-conflict).” 

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##### [Erik Goepner](/people/erik-goepner)

Former Adjunct Scholar 

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute