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Cato Weekly Podcast • March 12, 2021 

# The Urge to Punish and Criminal Justice Reform 

It’s easy to want to throw the book at someone who’s engaged in some egregious conduct, but it’s harder to understand what even seemingly minor punishments entail. Author and criminal justice scholar John Pfaff discusses the incentives inherent in the way criminal justice is carried out in America.

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute