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Cato Weekly Podcast • April 1, 2025 

# *Tribalism Is Dumb: Where It Came from, How It Got So Bad, and What to Do About It*

It’s become easier to hate those with whom we disagree on matters of policy and politics, and our ideological tribes insulate us from thoughtful challenge. Andrew Heaton hopes to help you navigate a coarsening culture with his book, [*Tribalism is Dumb*](https://mightyheaton.com/books).

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##### Andrew Heaton 

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute