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Cato Weekly Podcast • December 6, 2024 

# Decarbonizing the Grid Means Accepting Tradeoffs 

It’s hard to take seriously a push for decarbonization that doesn’t involve nuclear power and yet might impose large personal costs on individual consumers. Jason Hayes of the Mackinac Center details some of the tradeoffs involved in changing energy markets with an eye toward reducing carbon emissions.

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute