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Cato Weekly Podcast • November 2, 2022 

# Conservatives’ Time for Choosing on The One Ring of Big Government: #TeamFrodo or #TeamBoromir 

Is a massive, powerful state something to be feared and destroyed … or wielded like a weapon? Many self-styled conservatives have decided that The One Ring of big government is a gift to conservative policy goals. Tony Woodlief disagrees.

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##### Tony Woodlief 

Senior Executive Vice President, State Policy Network

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute