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Cato Weekly Podcast • June 3, 2025 

# Best of Cato Daily Podcast: The Gathering Storm in State Pensions 

Caleb O. Brown hosted the Cato Daily Podcast for nearly 18 years, producing well over 4000 episodes. He has gone on to head Kentucky’s Bluegrass Institute. This is one among the best episodes produced in his tenure, selected by the host and listeners.

“Denial” is the single word that the Reason Foundation’s Peter Constant uses to describe the attitude many state governments have taken toward pension finance problems.

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##### Peter Constant 

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##### [Caleb O. Brown](/people/caleb-o-brown)

Former Director of Multimedia, Host and Executive Producer, *Cato Daily Podcast*, Cato Institute