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Cato Audio • August 2, 2019 

# Rep. Justin Amash (I‑MI) and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D‑CA) with Jeff Vanderslice 

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##### Featuring 

##### Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D‑CA) 

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##### Justin Amash 

Former Congressman

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##### Jeff Vanderslice 

Former Director of Government Affairs, Cato Institute