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Cato Audio • June 1, 2011 

# Malou Innocent, Benjamin Friedman, and David Rittgers on Afghanistan and Pakistan after Bin Laden 

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##### [Malou Innocent](/people/malou-innocent)

Adjunct Scholar 

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##### [Benjamin H. Friedman](/people/benjamin-friedman)

Policy Director, Defense Priorities

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##### [David Rittgers](/people/david-rittgers)

Former Legal Policy Analyst