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Cato Audio • June 1, 2017 

# David Bier and Sen. Ron Johnson (R‑WI) on the idea of state-based visas 

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##### [David J. Bier](/people/david-bier)

Director, Immigration Studies, and The Selz Foundation Chair in Immigration Policy, Cato Institute

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##### Ron Johnson (R‑WI)