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Cato Audio • March 1, 2018 

# Aaron Ross Powell and Trevor Burrus interview Tom W. Bell on his new book *Your Next Government?: From the Nation State to Stateless Nations*

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##### [Aaron Ross Powell](/people/aaron-ross-powell)

Former Director and Editor of Libertarianism.org

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##### [Trevor Burrus](/people/trevor-burrus)

Former Research Fellow, Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies, Cato Institute

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##### [Tom W. Bell](/people/tom-bell)

Adjunct Scholar