September 24, 2008 12:50PM 

# NPR Article, Audio of IQ2 Universal-Coverage Debate 

By [Michael F. Cannon](https://www.cato.org/people/michael-f-cannon) 

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Today, National Public Radio’s Julie Rovner [writes](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94812584) about the recent [Intelligence Squared debate](http://intelligencesquaredus.org/Event.aspx?Event=30) where [John Stossel](http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel), [Sally Pipes](http://liberty.pacificresearch.org/keypeople/sally-c-pipes), and I squared off against [Paul Krugman](http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/paulkrugman/index.html), [Michael Rachlis](http://www.michaelrachlis.com/), and [Art Kellerman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann) on whether the federal government should pursue a policy of universal health-insurance coverage. The article includes links to the full audio recording of the debate, an edited audio recording, and audio excerpts. (You can also absorb the debate via [YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E427240F927D6696&playnext=1) and the [transcript](http://intelligencesquaredus.org/TranscriptContainer/HealthCoverage091608_v2.pdf).)

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Rovner quotes me:

> You can have a health-care sector that guarantees universal coverage, or you can have a health-care sector that continuously makes medical care better, cheaper, and safer, making it easier to deliver on that moral obligation that we have to help the less-fortunate among us. You cannot have both.

If you agree, you may be a candidate for the [Anti-Universal Coverage Club](https://www.cato.org/?s=anti-universal+coverage+club&submit=GO).

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